Timmy and 'Tisha Hensel share the real story of co-pastoring a church through pain, transition, and slow transformation. They talk about moving from busy, program-driven ministry to a culture of shared ownership, collaborative leadership, and deep, relational discipleship—where more voices are heard and more people carry the weight together. This conversation gets into what it actually costs to lead this way—loss of control, hard conversations, and letting go of outcomes—but also what it produces: healing, trust, freedom in worship, and a community where discipleship is lived, not just taught.

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