In this episode of the Ordinary Discipleship Podcast, Jessie talks with Daniel Yang of World Relief about refugees, immigrants, trauma, enemy mode, and what it means to follow Jesus in a time when fear and suspicion are shaping so much of our public life. Daniel shares his own family’s refugee story, the work of World Relief, and how the church is called not only to welcome the vulnerable but to receive them as gifts from God. Together, Jessie and Daniel explore why loving our enemy is not an optional ideal but a core spiritual discipline, how proximity breaks down fear, and how ordinary disciples can practice welcome, prayer, courage, and embodied love in their own communities.

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